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28 August 2019 @ 11:38 pm
Nominations are open!  
If you haven't already please read the rules before you start nominating. The nomination guidelines are the same as last year but there have been other small changes to the rules and guidelines for this round.

In short:
  • You may nominate up to ten fandoms with up to ten relationships in each.

  • All nominated characters must be female or genderqueer characters you'd be comfortable writing about in a femslash challenge
  • Please nominate crossovers as under the fandom: Crossovers - Fandom, and list the characters with their fandom after the character name (Example: Pepper Potts (MCU)/Seven of Nine (Star Trek: Voyager)

  • [Canonical Character]/Original Female Character is allowed. [Canonical Character]/Any is not allowed. The Character(s) version of OFC tags will no longer be used and any canonical nominations using this format will be approved without the plural. If nominating poly ships with original characters, please indicate the specific number of characters you would like included, eg. [Canonical Character]/Original Female Character/Original Female Character.

  • [Canonical Character]/[Unnamed Character] is allowed in cases where they were most likely a woman or genderqueer character, but we don't know exactly who they were, for example: Galadriel/Legolas' Mother in The Hobbit fandom.

  • There will be one category for Original Work, in which you may nominate things such as Princess/Handmaiden, Mermaid/Ship Captain, or Starship Captain/Chief Engineer.

  • You may wish to drop down into the comments below to see what fandoms and pairings others are nominating, and how to nominate large/complicated fandoms. We will be continuing to wrangle most shared universe fandoms in the same manner as previous years, please check the list below before nominating.



Please nominate shared universe fandoms using the following fandom tags:

Arrowverse
Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Constantine, and Legends of Tomorrow tv shows will be nominated together as "DC's Arrowverse"

Buffy
Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel: The Series and assorted spinoffs will go together under "Buffy the Vampire Slayer & Related Fandoms"

Dangan
Combine all nominations under "Dangan Ronpa - All Media Types"

DC Comics
Main-continuity DC comics, including pre-Flashpoint and New 52, will be under "DCU (Comics)". Other DC universes such as Bombshells will be separate by universe

DC Movies
"DC Extended Universe" includes Man of Steel, Batman vs Superman, Wonder Woman, Justice League, Aquaman, and Suicide Squad

Doctor Who
Everything set in the Doctor Who universe can be nominated under "Doctor Who" (including Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood)

Disney
Disney Descendents, Maleficent (2014), and Ducktales (2017) should be nominated separately. "Disney - All Media Types" is to be used for all other Disney pairings, including Disney Princesses and pre-2017 Ducktales.

Dragon Age
All of Dragon Age goes together under "Dragon Age - All Media Types"

Neon Genesis Evangelion
"Rebuild of Evangelion | Evangelion: New Theatrical Edition" should be nominated separately to Neon Genesis Evangelion. If nominating other parts of the franchise with significant story or character differences to the original canon, please comment first to discuss whether to split or combine fandom tags.

Fallen London
Fallon London should be combined with Sunless Sea and Sunless Skies nominations under "Fallen London | Echo Bazaar"

Fallout
All games should be combined under "Fallout (Video Games)", including Fallout: New Vegas

Fate/stay night Fandoms
Fate/Zero and Fate/stay night should be nominated under "Fate/stay night - All Media Types"

Final Fantasy
FF X and FF X-2 will be nominated as "Final Fantasy X & Final Fantasy X-2"

Game of Thrones
Game of Thrones (TV) and A Song of Ice and Fire should be treated as separate fandoms

Harry Potter
Both the Harry Potter books and movies and Fantastic Beasts should be combined under "Harry Potter - J. K. Rowling". All associated tie-in media including games should be included under this tag.

Kamen Rider
Kamen Rider variations go together under "Kamen Rider - All Media Types"

Law and Order
Law and Order series will be nominated separately by series name.

Les Miserables
The Les Mis tag will be "Les Miserables (All Media Types)"

Life on Mars
Ashes to Ashes and Life on Mars go together under "Life on Mars & Related Fandoms"

Madoka Magica
The Magia Record side game should be nominated separately to Madoka Magia.

Marvel Cinematic Universe
All of the MCU movies, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and Agent Carter will be listed under "Marvel Cinematic Universe"

Marvel Comics
Marvel Comics will be nominated by universe, for example: Marvel 616, Marvel Adventures, etc.

Marvel Netflix TV shows
Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Luke Cage, The Punisher, and Iron Fist will be listed together under "The Defenders (Marvel TV)"

Mass Effect
Mass Effect will be "Mass Affect - All Media Types" and will include Mass Effect Andromeda

Once Upon A Time
Once Upon a Time in Wonderland will be included with Once Upon A Time (TV)

Pokemon
Pokemon Games should be combined under "Pocket Monsters | Pokemon (Main Video Game Series)", while "Pocket Monsters SPECIAL | Pokemon Adventures" should be nominated separately.

Power Rangers
Power Rangers will be split into the movie tag "Power Rangers (2017)", and all shows will be combined under "Power Rangers (TV)"

Pretty Cure
All Pretty Cure series will be nominated together

Rune Factory
All Rune Factory series will be nominated together

Sailor Moon
Sailor Moon should nominated under:
Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon | Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon (Manga/Crystal)
Sailor Moon (1992 Anime)
Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon | Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon (Live Action TV)

She-Ra
Nominate the original series and the 2018 reboot separately.

Star Trek
"Star Trek: Classic Timeline (All Series)" should be used to nominate all original continuity Star Trek properties including books and other media, Mirror Universe characters, and Star Trek: Discovery. The 2009 movies and any associated media should be nominated under "Star Trek: Alternate Original Series (Movies)‎". AOS characters can be inferred to also exist in the Classic universe or vice versa even if they don't appear in canon, nominate as Prime [Character] under AOS or AOS [Character] under Classic as needed. Mirror Universe characters should be listed as Mirror [Character]. Classic/AOS crossover ships should be nominated under Crossovers - Fandom

Star Wars
Star Wars will go under "Star Wars - All Media Types"

Stargate
Stargate fandoms will all be grouped together under "Stargate - All Series"

Super Sentai
Various Sentai properties go together under "Super Sentai Series"

Tolkien Fandoms
Tolkien nominations should be split into Silmarillion, books, or movies, as follows::
The Silmarillion and other histories of Middle-Earth - J. R. R. Tolkien
The Lord of the Rings & The Hobbit - J. R. R. Tolkien
Middle Earth - Peter Jackson Movies

Tomb Raider
Tomb Raider nominations should be split into the following tags. Any books, comics, and other media should be nominated under the appropriate timeline, and the Angelina Jolie movies should be combined under Original Timeline:
Tomb Raider - Original Timeline
Tomb Raider - Legend Timeline
Tomb Raider - 2013 Timeline
Tomb Raider (Movie 2018)

Vampire Diaries
The Vampire Diaries, The Originals, and Legacies go together as "The Vampire Diaries & Related Fandoms". The Vampire Diaries books should be nominated separately as "The Vampire Diaries - L. J. Smith (books)"

Worst Witch
The Worst Witch (1998 TV), The Worst Witch (TV 2017), and the books should be nominated separately

X-Men Movies
X-Men (Movies) will now be divided into X-Men (Alternate Timeline Movies), X-Men (Original Timeline Movies) and Deadpool (2016). Wolverine movies go in Original Timeline






If you believe the best fandom tag to combine a shared universe under has changed or there are other new developments in your fandom we should be aware of that might affect the shared universe list, please let us know! Or if you spot any doubles, misfiled fandoms, random pairings popping up under other fandoms or pairings that don't qualify, comment here. We're going to do our best to wrangle as we go.

Click here to nominate some femslash.

Nominations will remain open until 9pm EDT, 11 September, 2019.
 
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on August 29th, 2019 12:20 am (UTC)
I'm not familiar with Good Omens beyond seeing Crowley/Aziraphale promoted as a m/m pairing (though I realise that wasn't one of the pairings you nominated [personal profile] cat_i_th_adage, it's just my primary osmosis exposure to Crowley as a character.) Based on Neil's post linked above it sounds like Crowley may fall under the genderqueer rule irrespective of pronouns, and a male actor certainly doesn't automatically confirm or deny the character's gender as male so if there's disagreement it would be helpful if we could get some more information from Good Omens fans about supernatural entities being agender in canon. We do consider Word of God when determining eligibility, but we defer primarily to canon where possible if we can't be sure how widely Word of God is known or consistent with canon.

Also, while we're here, should we be combining Good Omens TV and books if both are nominated or are there significant differences to the new show?

Edited (Excuse my typos, it's oh-god-why-o'clock here for me) 2019-08-29 12:25 am (UTC)
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(Anonymous) on August 29th, 2019 01:25 am (UTC)
That post linked above isn't Word of God that Crowely is agender or genderqueer. It's word of god that Crowley has "pure, unfiltered non-binary/gender-fluid energy in general". Crowley and Aziraphale are both men. Crowley dressed up as woman and his behavior is gender nonconforming to the traditional masculine stereotype, but the character is not genderqueer. As noted in that post, there was one character who had used they pronouns, and it wasn't Crowley.
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[personal profile] cat_i_th_adage on August 29th, 2019 01:51 am (UTC)
That post has Neil Gaiman, the writer and showrunner, replying:

Thank you! That was definitely what we were going for...

I'm not sure how much more in agreement he could be?
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[personal profile] cat_i_th_adage on August 29th, 2019 02:27 am (UTC)
Hang on, I didn't read through your comment carefully enough.

It's word of god that Crowley has "pure, unfiltered non-binary/gender-fluid energy in general"... but the character is not genderqueer

For the purposes of a fic exchange, I feel that splitting hairs between "non-binary", "genderfluid", and "genderqueer" is counterproductive.

The character is canonically agender. The character canonically uses feminine presentation on more than one occasion, when said character has freedom to choose. Isn't that feminine enough?
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(Anonymous) on August 29th, 2019 05:54 am (UTC)
I agree that all the angel and demon characters are canonically agender. However, Aziraphale presents as male throughout the series; Crowley presents as male on some occasions and female on others.

I'm not sure if "agender but presents solely as male (without being under coercive circumstances)" is appropriate for this fest in particular but that's up to the mod not me!
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on August 29th, 2019 01:04 pm (UTC)
Thank you for chiming in! I understand at this point that the books have a definitive gender statement of "angels are sexless unless they really want to make an effort" - does that sound correct/is that the source your understanding of them as canonically agender (I'm specifically looking to grasp what's in-canon vs. word of god at this point, Neil's social media seems very clear from a word of god perspective), and is there anything similarly definitive in the show?

It would also be helpful to know what you think the differences are between the book and show and whether they're similar enough that they should be treated as a shared universe fandom.
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[personal profile] cat_i_th_adage on August 29th, 2019 02:56 pm (UTC)
It's mostly expanded material. The TV show gives us a lot more of the Heavenly bureaucracy - what Aziraphale says to his superiors and what they say back is spelled out instead of inferred from the book text. I think there's a minor change there at the end - is it Metatron who appears after Adam calls off the war in the book? (It's Gabriel in the TV.)

The relationship between Crowley and Aziraphale is hugely expanded. We get a half hour of historical flashbacks of them in episode 3. Some of the plot is cracked open a little and some romantic story beats are put inside - Crowley asks Aziraphale to run away to Alpha Centauri. After escaping the burning bookshop, instead of climbing into the Bentley and heading off to Tadfield, the demon sits down in a bar and gets maudlin drunk until Aziraphale turns up in spirit to give some encouragement. And there is a lengthy epilogue for Crowley and Aziraphale where they deal with Heaven and Hell trying to make them pay for their part in avoiding the apocalypse. It mostly doesn't *contradict* book-canon (mostly), but it's a lot of material that only exists in the TV version.

Conversely, some of the human-centric stories, and a couple of the jokes, are clipped in the TV. We don't see exposition about Newt's Wasabi (it's still a terrible car, but there's no joking about Japanese manufacture) for example. And the Other Four Horsemen got left out. I mean, a lot of what's clipped, you could easily imagine happening off screen (there aren't a lot of direct contradictions), but it just... feels different.

Sorry, I don't know if that's useful to you in making a decision. It's a bit late for me, too.

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"angels are sexless unless they really want to make an effort" -

This is canonically stated in the book, yes. (It turns up about the time Aziraphale is described as appearing 1. English 2. Intelligent and 3. Gayer than a tree full of monkeys on nitrous oxide.)

I don't... think it is stated by the narrator of the TV show? It's just that they have a lot of genders in the casting, often dressing with presentation different to the body of the actor, Pollution is canonically a "they", Sandalphon is, according to the script book, canonically an "it", and, Crowley canonically presents as female on two separate occasions, without apparent coercion. (Both clips are short, and it's unclear what pronouns Crowley would prefer on those occasions.)
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(Anonymous) on August 29th, 2019 05:17 pm (UTC)
DA

I'd say that angels and demons are canonically agender in the book, but that it's more ambiguous in the TV show (Word of God notwithstanding).

Evidence pointing towards their being agender or some other variety of genderqueer: Crowley sometimes presents as male and sometimes as female. Michael and Uriel have male names according to Hebrew naming conventions while being played by female actors.

Evidence against: Aziraphale--the character we spend the most time with other than Crowley--presents consistently as male across a number of eras and locations. If God's gender (the literal God, not the creator of canon) can be assumed to have any relevance to the subject of angels' and demons' genders, then God in the TV series has a female actor and iirc is consistently referred to using She/Her pronouns by anyone who knows Her personally.

Evidence lacking: We don't get to know most of the angels and demons well enough to say anything really definitive about their genders.


But as for Crowley in particular, I considered him genderqueer on the basis of canon, even before seeing Gneil's comments on the subject. I sat up and noticed when Crowley was presenting as a woman in the crucifixion scene. Then during the Nanny Ashtoreth scenes, I was braced for a bunch of unpleasant humor regarding the situation that just...never materialized. At which point I concluded that canon wanted viewers to take female-presenting Crowley seriously and as an integral part of Crowley's characterization.
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(Anonymous) on August 30th, 2019 02:38 am (UTC)
For my own headcanon I think of both Aziraphale and Crowley (and all angels and demons) as genderless, but. Well. When everyone in this thread is using male pronouns while arguing that a character who presents primarily as a man should be allowed into FemslashEx that's kind of. Maybe in the letter of the rules but probably not the spirit.
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(Anonymous) on August 30th, 2019 05:46 am (UTC)
Nobody is arguing that Crowley doesn't present as male--and is referred to using he/him pronouns--for most of the series. Some of us are arguing that the times Crowley presents as female indicate something important about the character and are worthy of exploration in a femslash exchange. I can't speak for everyone, but if I were to write Crowley-as-Nanny-Ashtoreth, or Crowley in Judea, or Crowley-presenting-as-female-at-any-other-point-in-history, I would certainly use female pronouns for her in those fics.
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[personal profile] cat_i_th_adage on August 29th, 2019 01:48 am (UTC)
Also, while we're here, should we be combining Good Omens TV and books if both are nominated or are there significant differences to the new show?

While I wouldn't be fussed either way, I only picked the TV version because gender-presentation-and-play is a lot more present in the show. It's not uncanonical in the book? But the book has Crowley has Crowley briefly disguised as a nanny and a passing comment that angels are agender and not much more. In the TV show it's all over the place in the visual language.

Here's an article discussing, among other things, design choices regarding gender presentation:

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/good-omens-costume-designer-claire-anderson-interview

... By this time, both Aziraphale and Crawley — now Crowley — are wearing turbans and head wraps, which Anderson attributes to “a bit of vanity.” Plus the wrap helps Crowley conceal his snake-like eyes (it’s too soon for glasses). Aziraphale dons a soft leather coat over his tunic, while Crowley wears female attire of the region — an abaya...

Fans who know more about modern fashion than I do, have pointed out that it's a woman's scarf that he has slung around his neck for most of the modern sequences, and women's dark glasses.

And - as of the time I write this comment, there are 162 works in the Genderfluid Crowley tag. (https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Genderfluid%20Crowley%20(Good%20Omens)/works) Which isn't Word of God (some of these might be AUs), but is at least indicative of fan interest.

Any other GO fans want to weigh in?
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on August 29th, 2019 02:51 am (UTC)
It's quite late for me now so I won't have a chance to check out the article until tomorrow, but thanks for popping back! The tweet linked below you looks like it'll be the most useful so far, if there's anything else declarative like that which you'd like us to consider feel free to throw other info at us. If other fans are weighing in anonymously, there might be a delay in discussion as things get unscreened - but unless my co-mod is more familiar with the fandom than I am we usually leave discussions going for a bit so there's no rush and you might want to check back over the course of the next day or two.

For anyone else chiming in it would be helpful to distinguish between canon that leads you to reasonably infer characters as [gender - be it male or agender or otherwise] or canon where a character specifically claims an identity in canon, and whether either confirms or runs counter to Word of God like that linked below on Twitter.
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(Anonymous) on August 29th, 2019 02:55 am (UTC)
Crowley clearly falls foul of the rule prohibiting characters who are male-identified in canon. He's referred to as "he" throughout and is played by a cis man in every appearance. Even if the content of Gaiman's statement were otherwise sufficient, it is not "canonical." I don't know what's so complicated about this.
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on August 29th, 2019 01:20 pm (UTC)
Hi there, we won't be unscreening all your comments as they don't all seem respectful or good faith engagements in discussing canon. I understand people have strong feelings in this area, but a case has been made that while Crowley may be male-presenting or even inferred as male in much of canon he may still also fall under the canon genderqueer rule. It's reasonable for participants to expect to be able to discuss this in a way that is respectful of different gender and femslash definitions, irrespective of what the mods final decision ends up being.

At this stage we are not yet making a definitive decision either way, we're just still ensuring we have a good and complete grasp on how or in what ways gender is treated as canonical in an unfamiliar fandom. You're welcome to continue contributing to the discussion in that light, but please try to focus on evaluating canon specifically for Good Omens and not extrapolating that this discussion somehow undermines how 'femslash' the other ships or exchange is as a whole.
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[personal profile] cat_i_th_adage on August 29th, 2019 03:01 am (UTC)
No worries.

Here's another Word of God declaration from Neil Gaiman:

"Happy International Non-Binary People’s Day! Love from me, And from all the angels and demons in Good Omens and one of the Horsepeople of the Apocalypse."

https://mobile.twitter.com/neilhimself/status/1150428978475409408?lang=en

Hope that helps, and have a good night.
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(Anonymous) on August 29th, 2019 01:56 am (UTC)
Neil's stated that neither Crowley or Aziraphale identify as male: https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/1149047702837239814?lang=en

In the tweet he's replying to he also states angels and demons are sexless and don't have genders.
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(Anonymous) on August 29th, 2019 07:39 am (UTC)
Also, while we're here, should we be combining Good Omens TV and books if both are nominated or are there significant differences to the new show?

As someone who has only read the book and listened to the BBC radio show, from osmosis there are enough differences between the book and the show that I wouldn’t feel comfortable writing for someone who wants the TV show.

Also in the book, angels not having a gender is far more word of god. Azirphale and Crowley use male pronouns throughout even when we get a glimpse in to their heads and while they may take female form that doesn’t change the pronouns used.
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on August 29th, 2019 12:57 pm (UTC)
Thanks for weighing in! I understand at this point that the books definitive gender statement is "angels are sexless unless they really want to make an effort", does that sound like correct canon to you or is it less specific/more word-of-god than that?

It would be helpful to know what you think the differences are between the book and show. I've done some googling, and the stance from the creators and many viewers appears to lean more heavily towards it being the same - just that tv shows focuses on or elaborates on slightly different things at some points. Does that sound incorrect to you? Are there canon contradictions between them that you're aware of and think we should consider?
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(Anonymous) on August 29th, 2019 01:05 pm (UTC)
I'm not the user you're replying to, but I think "physically sexless by default, but chooses to present and identify as male" makes the character male by the standards of this exchange, which do not prioritize assigned sex.
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on August 29th, 2019 02:05 pm (UTC)
Thank you, that's certainly helpful to hear! Do we have explicit canon that he identifies as male, or are you inferring based on presentation/pronouns and a lack of detail to confirm if being physically sexless goes hand in hand with some form of genderqueer identity?

For those who don't feel a genderqueer interpretation is clear in canon and would prefer determinations are made based on gender presentation rather than word of god, I'm curious to hear your understanding of the canon moments where Crowley seems to present as female. As always, it's helpful to know what you believe should be inferred vs. explicit canon.

To be clear to anyone else following along - we don't typically interrogate genderqueer character presentation to this degree and the rules don't necessitate female presentation or femininity! But we do sometimes need to decide whether the character qualifies as genderqueer in canon - and potentially, in this case, to what degree presentation may intersect with word of god to provide a reasonable ability to infer canon genderqueer identity in lieu of more explicit canon.
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Skaianet Laboratories[personal profile] skaianet on August 29th, 2019 05:58 pm (UTC)
Hi mods, I appreciate that last paragraph.

Chiming in, I would buy (or support) a reading of Crowley as not male from the miniseries material and word of god, but I'll admit my initial reaction was to side-eye his inclusion here. Aziraphale/Crowley as a ship (that I love) has been historically such an entrenched *slash* ship that it feels disengeuious to try and fit Crowley into the parameters of a femslash exchange just because the argument can be made.

So my feeling was that he definitely qualifies--or that's not a label I feel comfortable policing closely--but that unless the nominator's goal in nomming is for participants to explore his genderqueerness, then they're not meeting the spirit of the exchange and there are plenty of other venues available.

Anyway since I started typing this... I still feel like there are other venues, but OP sounds like they've really thought about why they want who they've picked, and I've actually switched from my knee-jerk "oh no" to a yes, bring it. Lol. Miniseries Crowley does get in-canon nods to genderfluidity in a canon branch that went out of its way to be more representative and I think it's subtle but deliberate enough that he should be includable, assuming best intentions from everyone involved.
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(no subject) - [personal profile] shopfront on August 29th, 2019 06:50 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - (Anonymous) on August 30th, 2019 12:23 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [personal profile] skaianet on August 30th, 2019 02:22 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [personal profile] cat_i_th_adage on August 29th, 2019 08:44 pm (UTC)
Eni[personal profile] commoncomitatus on August 29th, 2019 06:38 pm (UTC)
Just to weigh in with more feelings on this, which mirror the first couple of paragraphs of the above comment, sadly without their change of heart. IMHO, even if a genderfluid/non-conforming reading of Crowley might be considered valid through word of god or other interpretations, I'm having a hard time swallowing his inclusion in this particular exchange, specifically because of his overwhelming presence in fandom as one half of a significant and massively popular M/M ship.

Basically, while there may be leeway for a genderfluid interpretation of Crowley, his existence and presence in fannish spaces is so overwhelmingly and inextricably tied to M/M, I think that should be something to take into account for this particular case, given the nature of this exchange.
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Fangirlosaurus Rex: [trek] daxed and confused[personal profile] hibernate on August 29th, 2019 07:24 pm (UTC)
I really do not think Crowley belongs in this exchange, and I have to say I had an immediate kneejerk reaction of feeling extremely uncomfortable with the idea. For what it's worth I really enjoyed both the TV show and the book, and I'm all for people exploring Crowley's relationship to gender, but a femslash exchange is not the place for it.

I don't really think there's much in TV canon to indicate he identifies as anything but male (though you could make a case based on Neil Gaiman's tumblr), but I wouldn't kick up a fuss about this if not for the character's fannish presence. Crowley is one half of one of the BIGGEST boyslash ships right now. Crowley/Aziraphale has 11,000 fics on AO3 tagged M/M. ELEVEN THOUSAND!!!! It's absolutely everywhere and I really don't think you can disentangle this character from his place in fandom as the posterboy for boyslash (and thus his place in fandom as a male character).

In general, I am absolutely for erring on the side of inclusion, but like I said, this whole thing makes me very uncomfortable. :/

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(Anonymous) on August 29th, 2019 07:03 pm (UTC)
AYRT

In the book, if I didn’t know the Word of God statement that angels are sexless unless they put conscious effort into being otherwise I would have read Crowley as Male but there is no definitive statement of masculinity or gender fluidity in the book.

Like the anon below said, some of my favourite characters are missing from the TV show and the depictions of Heaven and Hell are new.
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(Anonymous) on August 29th, 2019 02:17 pm (UTC)
Also, while we're here, should we be combining Good Omens TV and books if both are nominated or are there significant differences to the new show?

I don't think they should be combined. The endings are very different, there are a number of characters who appear in the book but not in the show and vice versa, some of the characterizations for the characters who do appear in both are pretty divergent, and most of the show's worldbuilding re: Heaven and Hell is completely absent from the book.
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