Good Omens (TV) - Crowley/Sappho: does Sappho appear in the show or is inferred to have met the characters at some point, or should this be moved to Crossovers?

Whoops. My apologies for messing up that nomination. Sappho does not appear in the show. I was thinking of the historical character, so I guess it would be a Crossover with Historical RPF?

Sorry for making more work for you. Cheers.

That's okay! We meant to keep unapproved until the first clarification post and then accidentally approved it anyway, so it's on us that you can't change it ;) It's an easy enough fix, it's just more time consuming so we don't like be doing loads and loads of corrections - but one or two here and there isn't a big deal at all.

Thanks :-)

DC Extended Universe is the same as DC Cinematic Universe. DC officially started calling it "DCEU" after the fandom tag was already in place!

X-Men Evolution is an entirely different continuity to X-Men Comics or any of the movies and should be separate. It's a high school setting and the characters and relationships can be quite different!

Ah, good to know! We'll switch to using Extended then, if that's the more familiar tag to people.

We can definitely keep Evolution and the movies separate - I assume the X-Men (Comicverse) tag is appropriate for everything else, or should we be asking people to discuss which other titles to separate?

X-Men (Comicverse) contains lots and lots and lots of different continuities! The most common ones to be separated out in ficathons recently are 616, Exiles, Battleworlds and Ultimates, but I guess you'd want to wait to see if anyone nominates those specific continuities first? 616 is the "main" comics continuity.

AH, duh, I can't believe I forgot X-Men is a Marvel thing. Thanks! Okay, in that case it sounds like I should be asking the Comicverse nominator to specify universes, but er correct me if I'm still misunderstanding something comics related haha.

Edited 2019-09-02 09:10 am (UTC)

Some ficathons specify comics titles, some just go for whichever continuity and then people can pick characters they know! "X-Men (Comicsverse)" is probably fine as a grouping, people will understand that.

Does that clash with our Marvel Comics rule to nominate by universe (including 616 etc) though? Or would X-Men 616 be a separate thing again? Sorry for all the questions, I'm not very across different comics continuities and don't want to duplicate things by accident.

If you want one universe one fandom, then Marvel 616 would be it (covering comics Avengers, Captain Marvel, Hawkeye comics, Young Avengers, X-Men to mention some popular femslash titles!), but people often do nominate X-Men separately.

Okay great, thanks again for clarifying for me, I really appreciate it. I'll leave it as is requesting to split based on other Marvel comics as that sounds most in line with our usual shared universe rules, but if the X-Men Comicsverse nominator or anyone else interested in X-Men comics shows up wanting to discuss I can always open it back up for discussion then.

The 2018 She-Ra reboot should be separate from the original, yep!

Wonderful, thank you for confirming! We'll go ahead and start approving She-Ra now.

Hi,

I nominated Leela/Re'eer, and I would like to clarify that in the two terminals in which Re'eer is mentioned by name, no personal pronouns are used (http://marathon.bungie.org/story/wheresome.html , last terminal and http://marathon.bungie.org/story/thingwhatkicks.html , second terminal). There is another terminal on "Thing What Kicks" in which Durandal refers to the commander of the garrison as "he," but this could refer to a different commander or just be a mistaken assumption on Durandal's part. Fandom has written both male and female Re'eer, but I personally have always written female Re'eer and nominated the ship in this spirit. If it would help to edit the nomination to "Leela/Female Re'eer," I am happy to do so.

Thanks for popping in! Looks like we maybe got lead in the wrong direction by this wiki page. Does it refer to another Re'eer, a different version of Re'eer, or has the wiki writer just assumed a gender in absence of canon confirmation? We can edit the tag to specify the terminal/branch of canon (or separate the fandom if it's not a consistent shared universe, if you prefer) or use Female Re'eer or something else depending on your answer and what makes most sense to you/any other Marathon fans that might happen to jump into the comments.

No problem! I think the wiki page probably made an assumption in absence of firm canon, which is understandable. (The interpretation of Re'eer's translation of the Narsh prophecy is also somewhat suspect...) I think probably editing my nomination to "Female Re'eer" would probably be the most workable solution, since it's not something confirmed in canon, if that's okay with you.

That sounds like a good edit option to me too then, thank you! There's a chance we'll remember them now, but if you think of it (assuming you nominate the character again in a future round, of course) you might want to drop us a pre-emptive comment next time. Female Re'eer sounds most appropriate, but usually we use that format for playable characters where the player chooses the gender and if we don't remember the name there's a decent chance we may head off down the same wrong wiki rabbithole next time, haha.

No problem, consider it done! I will definitely do so for future rounds.

I nominated The Only Harmless Great Thing, and there is only one translator in the novella with any kind of presence, the translator for the unnamed elephant matriarch. Neither the translator or this particular matriarch are named in the story, but if we need specificity maybe "Elephant Matriarch's Translator"?

For the record, there is one other mention of an unnamed translator, the court-appointed translator for the elephants during the Radium Elephant Trials, but I think it can be inferred that they are not the same person.


Edited (Typo) 2019-09-02 01:56 pm (UTC)

Okay, awesome, I'll use that suggestion and change it to refer to the Matriarch. I tried googling and the first mention I found was Topsy's translator, followed by some excerpts about the Matriarch, but I wasn't sure how present they both were or if they were perhaps the same person. Thanks!

I spotted a gen relationship in the tagset:

GLOW (TV 2017)
Debbie Eagan & Ruth Wilder

My guess is that it should be Debbie Eagan/Ruth Wilder instead?

Yes we do correct it when the gen canonical is nominated by mistake, that's now been fixed. Thank you!

For Precure, it looks like 'Kenjou Akira/Kotozume Yukari' was duplicated. One with the the more canonical style of pairing tags, one with the names in reverse order.

Thanks for letting us know! I've deleted one of them.

I spotted a duplicate fandom: "Baby-Sitters Club - Ann M. Martin" is under Books & Literature while "Babysitters Club - Ann M Martin" is under Uncategorized Fandoms.

Thank you! The second one has been removed now.

I nominated Gaila/Uhura--sorry, that's supposed to be under Star Trek: Alternate Original Series (Movies)‎.

So the AOS version of both? In that case, you can nominate it separately under the correct AOS Fandom tag per the shared universe rules. We'll remove the non-Classic version from the Classic tagset.

Not the nominator, but there is nothing in Pern canon that says a woman cannot impress a bronze dragon and canonical proof that their assumptions about who can impress what are wrong (when Mirrim impresses Path). Bronze dragons are just never given access to women in the hatching grounds in canon.

I nominated a set of X-Men comics pairings. Should I change their fandom to Marvel 616?

I also nominated the Dragonriders of Pern OFCs. There are no female bronze riders in canon, but since they're original characters I didn't think that mattered. Should I change that to Original Female Bronze Rider?

If they're from 616 that would be ideal, thank you!

We didn't worry about tweaking the others either, you're right, it is fairly explanatory and they're allowed as original characters either way. But I just want to be super clear if the idea of a bronze rider runs counter to canon. I think we approved it with the others already, so I can change that for you now.

I changed the X-Men nominations to Marvel 616.

For the dragon rider nominations, for the sake of consistency I'd either specify gender in all cases or in no cases. IIRC there is one canon female blue rider, and green riders can canonically be male or female. And as the anon commenter said, the whole color/gender matching thing is at least partly a social convention.

Fixed the crossover pairings I nominated. Thanks!

Wonderful, thank you!

I nominated Lara Croft/Samantha Nishimura under Tomb Raider (Video Games). However, since Sam only exists in the video game continuity, personally I am perfectly fine with combining them.

Good to know, thank you! I'm not very familiar with the wider continuity of Tomb Raider, can all the games and movies be considered the same universe or are there plot/worldbuilding/etc. inconsistencies between different versions that might constitute a reason to split them?

I am afraid I am not overtly familiar with anything but the rebooted video games, but they are not all the same universe.

I think all the Tomb Raiders before the 2013 Survivor Timeline are about the same Lara Croft. Then the movies with Angelina Jolie might be based upon those.

Starting with Tomb Raider (2013), the games are about an entirely different Lara Croft. Rise of the Tomb Raider and Shadow of the Tomb Raider also belong to this reboot. The newest Tomb Raider movie is also based upon these Survivor Timeline games, but merely inspired by it. (I think, I haven't seen it.)

Edited 2019-09-03 10:23 pm (UTC)

Thank you, that's really helpful! Someone has jumped in down thread with additional info about the other games. It sounds like, if there's a few different versions of Lara, that it makes sense to split them. But I'd like to know what you think if you have a moment to check out the other subthread and my proposed fandom tags.

My guess is that "related fandoms" was used last year to include the Dark Horse comics, which are set in the universe of the games but with some canon divergence and additional characters. From my point of view, it's not an issue to use "video game" instead, but I guess technically "related fandoms" would be more accurate since people might incorporate stuff from the comics.

There are three different timelines among the video games (the original series, the Legend/Anniversary/Underworld reboot, and the 2013 "survivor" reboot), but they don't actually have different fandom tags on AO3 and all go under "video game."

I wouldn't worry about the movies at all - unless I'm recalling them very badly, they don't even have any major female characters other than Lara. But the two Angelina Jolie movies are based on the original timeline, while the Alicia Vikander movie is based on the survivor timeline, both with some divergences. The Top Cow comic series is also based on the original timeline, and the Dark Horse comic series is also based on the survivor timeline, while there have ALSO been novels based on all three timelines.

Edited 2019-09-09 01:32 am (UTC)

Thank you for jumping in, that's very helpful! I've done some more googling and the 2018 movie seems to have some backstory differences, plus there's a potential sequel that could change things further and at least a few female supporting characters in the first movie. The Angelina Jolie movies do seem to have an even more male dominant cast though, you're correct.

We use non-canonical fandom tags for other universes that need to be split for reasons like this, so we can definitely still split regardless of the usual video game tag. It sounds like if, for example, someone wanted original series Lara paired with someone from a different timeline there'd be differences between that pairing vs. one the same pairing with the Lara from the same timeline?

If that's correct, I'd propose splitting nominations between the following, and any comics or novels can be linked to their respective timelines (or people can make a case by case argument to separate the movies/books/comics further if they think that's more appropriate):
Tomb Raider - Original Timeline, which would include the Angelina Jolie movies
Tomb Raider - Legend Reboot
Tomb Raider - 2013 Survivor Reboot, or we could use one of the Tomb Raider 2013 canonical tags, but I don't think that's as clear
Tomb Raider (2018)

I'll ask the other nominator for their opinion, let me know if that works for you or if I've misunderstood anything about the canon!

Edited (tweaking the proposed fandom tags) 2019-09-09 03:54 pm (UTC)

It sounds like if, for example, someone wanted original series Lara paired with someone from a different timeline there'd be differences between that pairing vs. one the same pairing with the Lara from the same timeline?

Probably, yes. That being said, in my opinion, given the relatively small size of the fandom and its overwhelming preference for the survivor reboot, I don't think it's necessary to split the tag, but nor do I think it's harmful. If you were to split it, I'd suggest doing it along the lines you suggested:

• Tomb Raider - Original Timeline
• Tomb Raider - Legend Timeline
• Tomb Raider - 2013 Timeline ["survivor" is a term used by the fandom, but not an official one; since the first game is just called Tomb Raider, it's usually abbreviated as TR2013 to differentiate it from the original Tomb Raider]

The 2018 movie could be split out from the latter as well to make "Tomb Raider (2018)," depending on your judgment.

Edited 2019-09-09 07:40 pm (UTC)

I totally agree with either of yours or vivaforever597' propositions, so whatever works for you is good.

It can be split they way you two suggested, or just be kept together.

*waves!* (This is SophieAyase of "swapping NPT fics" fame.)

*waves* Knew it was you from liking Tomb Raider to the Eli icon! I thought about writing this too, but I didn't have time for a rewatch. Love those girls.

Just noticed "Tina Branford | Terra Branford/Celes Chere/Locke Cole" (final fantasy VI) in the tagset, I believe that Locke is a man in canon with no ambiguity about his gender (there is a small possibility I've forgotten something as it's been forever since I played the game but I don't think so)

Thanks for flagging that! I've removed it from the tagset.

Sorry - book Mildred Hubble, please. Thank you!

If I wanted to nominate, say, Jyn/Leia or Ahsoka/Rey, would that go under crossover fandoms or Star Wars - All Media Types?

All Star Wars pairings should be nominated under Star Wars - All Media Types, so no need for crossovers in this case.