05 November 2016 @ 08:43 am
2016 Wrap Up Discussion  
Wow, so another year done. I hope everyone's had a chance to read through their fandoms. I know I'm still working on a few.

Huge thanks, as always, to all the pinch hitters who made this whole thing work.

Despite the dramatic finale, I think things mostly went pretty well this year. I do, however, want to talk about a couple changes.

1. Timing: When we were working out the timing for this year, I totally forgot about [community profile] trickortreatex (which is funny, as I participated last year), and we ran smack into it. I know a lot of people were stressed with both being due basically the same time, and had to split their attention between archives. Next year, Femslash Exchange will move two weeks forward, to get clear of Halloween.

2. Next year requests will be revealed right after assignments go out.

3. Placeholders. We want to more clearly equate putting up a placeholde with failing to hand in. That is, if you put up an obviously unfinished fic, or a section of a different fic entirely, or a random chunk of Jane Austen's Emma, and it's still up at the deadline, your recip will go to pinch hit, and you will be asked not to participate next year. I know that a certain amount of editing and fleshing out scenes happens post-deadline, and that's fine, but your fic should be ready to go live, even if it's not the best, in case you get the flu or something before reveals.

4. Defaulting multiple times: We're considering asking people who have defaulted two years in a row to not participate again, either sitting out a year, or having to write/draw a make up gift. It would be starting with people who defaulted this year. As always, failing to hand in, or causing me to generate a pinch hit post due date = sitting out a year.

5. Art. It feels like we got more artist this year, but I'm still looking for ways to improve. Suggestions welcome.

6. Vids. I love vids and would love more f/f vids, and we're thinking of adding them next year, but I'm not familiar with the medium. What's considered a 1000-word equivalent? 1.5 minutes? As with artists, we'd probably let people sign vids, as I know they get passed around sans credit.

7. How do people feel about raising the minimum word count to 2k? I liked it when [community profile] fandomgrowthexchange did it. It does seem to lead to longer fic in general, not just around the minimum point, and I think many of us like longer fic. However it also would make the timing a bit different, as we'd need a longer pinch-hit period. I'm not sure what the art version would be? 2 pictures?

8. We'll try to actually get treats for pinch hitters going again next year.

9. Free space!

Anon commenting on. All feedback welcome.
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a merry ghoul: unexpected naked river[personal profile] merryghoul on November 5th, 2016 03:59 pm (UTC)
I didn't sign up for Trick or Treat, so Trick or Treat didn't factor in my exchange planning this year. I felt Yuletide's early timing might've hurt some exchanges, though.

I think some people are new to this exchange, as well as exchanges in general, and that's partly why commenting is down for this exchange.

I do feel banning people who put placeholders and default multiple times is justified.

I'm not for the longer word count, since I'm not a fan of longer fic.
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(Anonymous) on November 6th, 2016 11:02 am (UTC)
+1 to the bit about newbie participants. I know it would be extra work, but I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to do a bit more with the tumblr presence? A simple crosspost of the "hey, we're open now" text post from here on DW probably gets lost on a lot of people's dashes. It would be spammy as hell to share each and every story from AO3, but if some kind artist could make some custom art for announcing some of the key dates, it might help get more attention.
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Muccamukk: Marvel: Sittin' in a Tree[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 04:00 pm (UTC)
Aiffe did a lovely banner last year that we used for all kinds of things on tumblr, but it didn't seem to raise participation there, so I gave up and set up the IFTTT crossposts.

Hmmmm. What I could do is let the auto crossposting go for most of the time, and then sign ups, archive opening and creator reveals or something, like you said, make an individual post with one of the banners from the banner post.

One of the problems is that I'm the mod with the tumblr, and I don't... actually use mine? It takes up too much bandwidth. We could maybe get a tumblr mod?
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Muccamukk: Reign of Fire: Stories[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 03:55 pm (UTC)
Apparently 39 people did both this year, and a couple people chose one or the other when they wanted to do both. Plus bystanders just reading archives. I don't know about yuletide; that's a good point. Can't do much about that.

I wonder if I could do some kind of exchange 101 post, or add to the "How To" post?

I think the consensus is that a few people would like longer fic, and quite a few people would not participate, so we'll leave it as is.
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don't look away.[personal profile] parcequelle on November 5th, 2016 04:22 pm (UTC)
1. & 2. Sounds great to me (especially about the requests being revealed immediately after assignment-sending, as I was one of those always-curious types constantly refreshing the page to see if they were available for viewing...)

3. & 4. I've never defaulted or had someone default on my assignment, but I think that sounds like a fair rule; same with placeholders (though I didn't actually know that was a thing...)

6. I can't make fanvids and so can't speak to word equivalence, but I love them and would love love love to see them included in the exchange!

7. I would be totally on board with that - my attitude to fic is the longer, the better (this year, by chance, I both wrote and received a 5k+ fic), but I think doing a poll or something would be sensible, because it would be a shame if the increased minimum word count caused people to stress out or hesitate to participate.

9. I love this exchange and had heaps of fun participating again this year - thank you so so much again for all your amazing work, mods extraordinaire, and I'm already looking forward to next year!
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Muccamukk: Elementary: Joan[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 04:25 pm (UTC)
Ha, I know a lot of people want requests for treating, and I honestly can't think of a reason to hide them after assignments are out.

You find out ALL KINDS of things about placeholders when you mod. *sighs*

Sounds like 1min is common for vids, so I'll go with that. I'll have to read up on prompts etc so I can add that to the how to post.

I think we won't raise the word limit, as quite a few people in comments here are strongly opposed.

Thank you for participating. We love people who come back every year.
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trobadora[personal profile] trobadora on November 5th, 2016 04:30 pm (UTC)
7. How do people feel about raising the minimum word count to 2k?

To be honest, I love longer fic, but I still don't know if I would sign up with a higher minimum. 1000 words I know I can manage even if I have a lot of other commitments during that time or something unexpected comes up, but 2000 would be a different thing.

Everything else sounds good to me! Particularly the part about the timing - I felt Trick or Treat drew a lot of attention away from the collection this year, so I'd be happy about a change of schedule.
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Muccamukk: SGA: Guitar[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 04:27 pm (UTC)
I don't think we'll raise the word count. A lot of people are in your boat.
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Lynn (and/or Settiai): Absinthe/'Nique -- settiai[personal profile] settiai on November 5th, 2016 04:30 pm (UTC)
Vids. I love vids and would love more f/f vids, and we're thinking of adding them next year, but I'm not familiar with the medium. What's considered a 1000-word equivalent? 1.5 minutes? As with artists, we'd probably let people sign vids, as I know they get passed around sans credit.

Festivids requires a minimum of at least 60 seconds, so I think that might be a good length to go with.

How do people feel about raising the minimum word count to 2k?

Personally, I very much prefer the 1000 word minimum for exchanges such as this one. While I love longer fics, I think raising the minimum wordcount would definitely make some people less likely to sign up for the exchange.
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Muccamukk: Marvel: Black Cat Tony[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 04:53 pm (UTC)
That's good to know about festivids. Thank you. I plan to check out their rules before doing ours.

We're going with 1k min again, by popular demand.
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Lynn (and/or Settiai): Vidding -- settiai[personal profile] settiai on November 6th, 2016 04:59 pm (UTC)
From my experience, the biggest issue with having vids in an exchange like this is making them available for download/streaming during the anonymous period.

Download isn't that bad, since there are several free sites out there that allow for large enough file sizes to make them available during the anonymous period. For streaming, though, you have to create an entirely new YouTube (or whatever site you prefer) account for the anonymous period and then take the vid down from that one if you want to upload it to your main account after reveals. Which can be a bit of a hassle, for obvious reasons.
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Muccamukk: Marvel: Scarlet Witch[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 05:23 pm (UTC)
I wasn't planning to have vids be anon in this fest. There's too much theft and passing them around when they're not signed. We don't have a mandatory anon period for art either, for the same reasons.

I'm not sure how uploading would work to keep them hidden until archive reveals though. I'll have to find out more about hosting.
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Lynn (and/or Settiai): Harley Quinn/Poison Ivy -- speakerboxxx[personal profile] settiai on November 6th, 2016 05:27 pm (UTC)
That would definitely make things much easier. :)

With YouTube, you have the option of making a vid unlisted so that people can only see said vid if you provide them with the link. That way, while people can see the vid when it's linked in the AO3 post, random people can't find it just by browsing (at least until it's been changed from unlisted).

While I'm not familiar with every potential streaming site out there, most of them have similar settings available.
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Muccamukk: SG-1: Happy -hugs-[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 05:40 pm (UTC)
What we do with art, is just ask people not to crosspost until creators are revealed.

Thanks for the info. I'll probably be asking you a lot of questions around next July.
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Lynn (and/or Settiai): Ashley/Naomi -- settiai[personal profile] settiai on November 6th, 2016 05:42 pm (UTC)
I'll be glad to answer whatever ones I can. :)
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Aspen Sagan: Star Wars: Leia[personal profile] sharpest_asp on November 5th, 2016 04:31 pm (UTC)
Between Yuletide being earlier (which meant nomming and sign ups, rather than writing), Trick or Treat, Darkest Night, Spook Me, and Relationshipping, October got busy for me. Moving Femslash back a little might be very helpful, as two weeks would slot it between two of those and leave the other two in that final week.

I'm against raising the minimum fic level. I love when I *can* pull off 2k+ in a fic exchange, but I struggled with it in FandomGrowth. Nine times out of ten, for an exchange, I am writing in a fandom that is not my current default fandom, which is why it can be a struggle. Mileage varies, and I'd understand if people are more for the change. (Suggestion? Set mini-goals as some exchanges have been doing, and invite graphic artists to make 'badges' to be awarded for longer fics, diverse representation, etc?)

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Muccamukk: JA: Wedding[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 04:55 pm (UTC)
October has gotten surprisingly busy! I don't want to move it too much or we'll run into the September fests, but a few weeks might help.

You have the majority opinion on word count. It'll stay at 1k.

ETA: Badges sound fun, but also like a lot of work, so unless we have a lot of free time next year...

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veleda_k: Utena: Lesbians are better[personal profile] veleda_k on November 5th, 2016 04:40 pm (UTC)
4. This seems reasonable, both the skipping a year options and the make up options. The make up option would lead to even more femslash, which is a bonus.

5. I'd love to start seeing vids, though not being a vidder myself, I'm not a good judge of a minimum time. One to one and a half minutes sounds pretty good though.

6. Not to be a downer, but I would be against raising the minimum. Of course, I love receiving longer fic, but I don't want to put pressure on people to produce more than they reasonably can. And, speaking for myself, I know I can do 1000 words. More than that, and I wouldn't be sure I could meet the minimum for any given assignment.
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Muccamukk: DW: Pretty[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 04:31 pm (UTC)
We'd just have to formalise the make up option. But the collection is open until sign ups the following year.

I love vids! Haven't made one in... ten years? Anyway, 1min seems to be standard minimum, so I'll stick with that. Mostly seems like people make longer anyway.

Lots of people don't want to raise the min, so we'll leave it as is. There's a longer fic fest opening soon anyway.
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E[personal profile] amyfortuna on November 5th, 2016 04:44 pm (UTC)
I think moving the exchange to two weeks earlier in October is a good move! October ended up being really busy from an exchange perspective for me.

On raising the minimum wordcount, I'm just wondering what are the minimums for other femslash-oriented exchanges? If there were some with lower minimums, then having one with a higher minimum would be fine, but 1000 words does tend to be the standard. It would be interesting to have a femslash exchange specifically for short fic, along the lines of ToT or Chocolate Box (as well as or in addition to one for longer fic).
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Muccamukk: Firefly: Albatross[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 04:35 pm (UTC)
Yes, busy for me too. I always seem to go on vacation in the middle of it all.

I don't think there IS another big femslash exchange? There's every woman in June that has a 500 word min, and Rarely Written around the same time with 1k. Anyway, mostly people want to keep it as is, so we'll leave it at 1k.
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Bat[personal profile] hamimi_fk on November 5th, 2016 05:20 pm (UTC)
I'm for raising the minimum word count because honestly, 1000 words feels more like a treat than a full fic, but that's just my opinion. Perhaps raising it to 1500 words instead of 2000 would not scare off so many people though?

.-. And I already equated incomplete placeholder fic to count as a default? Which was why I didn't participate this year. It should be clearer next year that it's a no-no and would mean no participating the next year. (I kind of deduced it on my own, so yeah.)
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Muccamukk: LotR: Evenstar[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 04:39 pm (UTC)
I think we'd have a lot fewer people signing up if we raised it, going by comments here and on tumblr. A couple people suggested up to 1.x, but I think numbers like that are difficult to remember.

We had made placeholder = default an implicit rule, like people who did it this year are temp banned. But we will make it more clear, and more clear that we're checking.
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yuuago: Anno 1790 - Magdalena[personal profile] yuuago on November 5th, 2016 05:31 pm (UTC)
I wasn't able to participate this year, but speaking as a reader/observer/someone who wants to join next year:

1. Moving the schedule up sounds good to me! It will make things easier for people who want to do both exchanges.

2.Next year requests will be revealed right after assignments go out. YESSS THIS IS GREAT. Excellent idea.

3. Treating placeholders as autodefaults sounds like a good policy to me.

4. Banning multi-defaulters sounds good. Defaulting once is understandable, but multiple times, well....

7. I think it's best to keep the minimum at 1k - I do like longer fic, but I think it would be harder to find pinch-hitters with a 2k minimum. I also think that fewer people would sign up and/or do treats if this exchange had a higher minimum.

Thank you for running this exchange. :)
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Muccamukk: Sinbad: Smile[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 04:49 pm (UTC)
I know a bunch of people did both, and others would have, save that they didn't have time. So hopefully a couple weeks' grace will sort that out. Trick of Treat can't move, but it's easy for us.

I hate to be hard on defaulters, as I know that life happens, but this year was a bit much.

I think we'll do that, and stay at 1k. You seem to have the general opinion. Treats can be any length though.
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Star of Heaven: ❋ Pansy[personal profile] rubylily on November 5th, 2016 06:52 pm (UTC)
I'd prefer the minimum word count staying at 1000 words. I do like writing longer fic, but sometimes things just don't work out, and 1000 words is generally easier for most writers to achieve by a deadline.
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Muccamukk: LotR: Éowyn's Dawn[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 04:52 pm (UTC)
That seems to be what I'm hearing, so we'll stick with 1k.
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disagree (1): tara's an angel[personal profile] marginalia on November 5th, 2016 07:16 pm (UTC)
1) Moving it a bit earlier would be great. I don't do any exchanges other than Yuletide, but October is super busy for me IRL.

3) This seems obvious to me. I do love that AO3 means I can fix it if I suddenly realize the next day it'd be better with another scene, but the due date should be the due date for a complete if not perfect story. I've been burned in Yuletide with someone putting up half a fic (but only mildly burned, because I really 95% just do these things to make myself write.)

4) Seems fair. Life happens, but if it happens two years in a row, maybe this is just something one cannot do.

7) If the minimum word count were raised, I would not participate.
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Muccamukk: B5: Done with the day[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 04:59 pm (UTC)
I always seem to be on vacation in the middle of this exchange. It's a problem.

I got half a fic for yuletide once! It think that was the first Ao3 year, right before they put placeholder rules in. Which I was hoping we wouldn't have to explicitly do, but apparently...

Good to know. A lot of people are saying the same thing, and the word count will stay were it is.
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likeadeuce[personal profile] likeadeuce on November 5th, 2016 08:29 pm (UTC)
I think 1000 words is pretty standard for exchanges and I don't really see a need to raise it here. People can always write more if they want to, but honestly I feel like a higher minimum just encourages placeholder fic and other attempts to rush at the last minute.

I probably raise this every year and it's probably been discussed before, but I don't feel like having an anon period on an exchange like this is all that beneficial. With such a wide range of fandoms, some of them small, the exchange might get more traffic early on if people could promote the fics within the fandom communities that are likely to take notice of them but might not think of looking at the archive on its own. I am pretty sure this is a minority opinion but I wanted to get it out there.

Thanks as always for running a great exchange, I was very happy to participate.
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Muccamukk: Musketeers: Cutest![personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 05:01 pm (UTC)
We won't end up raising it, by popular demand.

Yeah, we have had the anon discussion before, and I'm not huge on anon periods either, personally, but I have had people tell me that they flat out won't participate without one. There definitely seem to be stronger feelings on the pro-anon period side.

Always nice to have you on this exchange.
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Blue[personal profile] bluedreaming on November 5th, 2016 08:54 pm (UTC)
As sharpest-asp suggested, I think it would be good to keep the minimum at 1k as that's pretty standard, but having little badges or something for higher word counts would be a fun goal that might inspire people to write more if they so chose. Some people prefer reading short fic, some longer fic, and the same goes for writing so this could potentially accommodate everyone.

I generally run in different fanfic/fandom circles so I have different deadline overlaps, but if moving the deadline by two weeks seems to work better for a majority of people, then I'd definitely be in support of that!

In regards to 3 and 4, I definitely agree. The everywoman exchange requires a make up gift be written for situations like this, which I think (?) works well, so as you suggested, that might be a nice idea.
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Muccamukk: LotR: Evenstar[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 05:04 pm (UTC)
We're keeping the word count as is. Badges sound like a lot of work, mostly at a time when modding is already busy.

We're dithering between make up and one year time out. One is more work, but also leads to more fic. I'll look into how everywoman does it. That's a well-run fest.
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Muffins[personal profile] evilmuffins on November 5th, 2016 09:21 pm (UTC)
I like the new timing. I did have a hard time handing in both this and my ToT on time without stress.

However, I would not enjoy a longer minimum. I feel like I would stress too much if my idea fell under the limit. I actually enjoy 500 word exchanges best, so 1000 felt like the upper limit of what I'd really enjoy.
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Muccamukk: ST: Tasha[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 05:05 pm (UTC)
I think a lot of people were stressed out having them on top of each other like that. Easy for us to move.

It'll stay at 1k, by popular demand.
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(Anonymous) on November 5th, 2016 11:02 pm (UTC)
I'm neutral on the wordcount lifting. I would usually write over 2k for an exchange fic anyway. I feel like anything under 3k is too small to stretch my muscles in. So my participation would be the same.

Vids sound cool. I've only made a tiny few myself, so I don't have strong opinions on length, but it would be nice to see, and would be interesting to have that option for treating.

Here's a 2-image art treat I did for a different exchange: http://archiveofourown.org/works/8108215

But I would say that some types of art might already count for as much as a 2-image piece? For example, multi-panel comic pages, or pieces with detailed backgrounds, or poly ships with 4+ characters. I could bang out two pictures for that one because the background is just a gradient. It's not an exact science. But it seems moot anyway, since people seem against the 2k minimum for fic.
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Muccamukk: Thor: Breakfast Table[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 05:07 pm (UTC)
I think we'll stay at 1k, as more people like that, and people who want to do longer can just write more. There's a fest with a 5k min coming up for those who want longer fic.

I appreciate your input on the art stuff.
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矢巾秀 | Shigeru Yahaba[personal profile] yahaba on November 5th, 2016 11:42 pm (UTC)
7. I feel like raising it to 2k would be a bit too high, but I support the idea of raising it from 1k. I can't remember what exchange it was but one I took part in had a limit of 1.2k which I think just bumps thing up from scraping for the word count minimum.

9. thank you guys for running this! it's my favourite exchange and I love taking part and reading everything that comes out of it.
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Muccamukk: SGA: Stary Smile[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 05:17 pm (UTC)
We'll leave it at 1k. 2k is too long, and anything middling would just confuse people, I think.

I'm so glad you had a good time. Thank you for participating!
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(Anonymous) on November 6th, 2016 01:54 am (UTC)
I'm in for raising the minimum. But I know how difficult that might be with non-inspiring letters/prompts, so how about using the freeforms (of tropes/AUs/kinks/...etc) in the sign up form? Like Smutswap did? At least that way, there is a guarantee that there would be enough info on what kind of fic the recipient want.

I can't see another way for raising the minimum to work other than that, as I struggled with my assignment. My recipient gave general thoughts about our fandom (not actual prompts) so I found that not enough to even give 1000.

Either ways, I'm in for next year regardless of changes. (I loved my gift <3)
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Muccamukk: SW: Padme Smiles[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 05:12 pm (UTC)
We're leaving the min at 1k, as several people have spoken strongly against raising it. I'm considering some kind of mandatory but non matching tag, so people would have to at least specify genre. We'll see.

I'm glad you had a good time this year. Thanks for participating :D
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(Anonymous) on November 6th, 2016 10:53 am (UTC)
1. This would be great. I love both exchanges and it did feel like they were competing for my attention. (In the other direction too; I would probably have managed to write more ToT treats if I hadn't been expanding my FemslashEx fic.)
2. Could they be visible during sign ups as well?
3. Thanks for the expansion on what does and doesn't count as a placeholder. I uploaded something just over 1k at deadline that could stand by itself but ended up (and was always intended to be) the first scene of a much longer fic come reveals. I had always assumed that that was what people meant when they talked about "placeholders" but clearly not.
4. As well as this, I think you (and other exchange mods) should institute a rule that deleting fic from the archive post-deadline results in a permanent ban. There's been a rash of this sort of behaviour this year, it seems to me. It causes huge headaches for mods, means someone somewhere is having to write an emergency pinch hit on a very tight turnaround (I mean, some of us enjoy that, but you're not guaranteed to find someone who has all three of the time, the inclination and knowledge of one of the relevant fandoms), and leads to disappointment for everyone when the collection doesn't open on time.
5/6. I know next to nothing about other media.
7. I'm ambivalent on this but I suspect it would lead to more defaults.
8. This is a nice idea but I don't think it's essential.
9. I had fun, and I really appreciate all the hard work that went into the exchange, especially with the last minute stuff and modly Internet issues.
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Muccamukk: SW: The General[personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 05:16 pm (UTC)
1. There's no reason for them to be on top of each other, and ToT can't move, so that's easy for us.

2. We prefer concealed prompts during sign ups.

3. That's what I used to think placeholders were too. Ah, my poor innocent younger self. If only I'd known.

4. Oh, trust me. The person who made the archive late will not be participating again. I will make that clear in the rules.

7. Min is staying at 1k.

9. I'm glad you had a good time. We were saved by lovely pinch hitters.
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navaan[personal profile] navaan on November 6th, 2016 11:30 am (UTC)
I think it makes sense to treat placeholders like a default and also to keep track of people who default multiple times. I know I ran into this problem with other exchanges including one I run myself.

I think 60s up to 1.5min are the minimums I've seen around. But I'm not an expert on vids.

I'd rather the minimums stays the same. I love longer fic, but I'm not sure exchanges are where I really look for it and I really struggled with meeting the wordcount for a request I got for Fandom Growth and a lot depends on how much details were in the assignment. I also don't dislike shorter fic, as much fun as it is to read epics. As a reader in exchanges I also have to say that my general experience has been that I'd rather get a tightly plotted well characterised under 2000 words piece than something that is longer and feels like it was padded with unnecessary scenes to make the wordcount. But that's just my personal feelings on the reading part.

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Muccamukk: DC: Food![personal profile] muccamukk on November 6th, 2016 05:21 pm (UTC)
I totally get the intentions behind placeholders (they're always good!), but they just fuck things up so badly if something goes wrong before they get updated. This is the second fest I've been in this year that's had delayed reveals because of them, possibly the third.

1min seems to be pretty standard, so I'll go with that. Vidding 1min is a lot of work! and people usually do longer anyway.

Yes, a 1k well written fic can back a lot more punch than 10k of meandering. We'll leave the min where it is. I think I wrote 6k for Fandom Growth, but I didn't have a prompt at all, so just did a story I'd been planning for a while :D
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abarero: Girls Love Girls[personal profile] abarero on November 13th, 2016 09:41 pm (UTC)
As someone who has used the beginning 1000 words of a longer fic as a placeholder, and has yet to ever not deliver on time, I never realized people were using it and then NOT following through. So major yikes. I figured most were like me- had some plot that was intended to be around 1-2k that exploded or were simply using that window of time to tweak and edit the story. I know moving the deadline earlier will definitely make it easier for me, given as I'm in the costume business and running so close to Halloween made it a little dicey.

As someone who was using the placeholder yet has always delivered on time, I know I always saw the "reveals at" time as the actual deadline since it was noted that editing until that point was okay. But as someone who has run exchanges before, I get the need to verify that people are turning in something that can actually be gifted by a certain date as well.

Personally I would set reveals at an hour after the intended deadline. Yeah that gives no window to edit in, but then it just means you need to edit first and post when complete and that way no one gets a placeholder or last minute drop. That also makes it so there's no confusion about using placeholders. Because as I always saw it, anything was fine as long as I got the complete fic in by the time of reveals.

Just my two cents.

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Muccamukk[personal profile] muccamukk on November 13th, 2016 10:30 pm (UTC)
I'm confident that people 100% plan to follow through every time. Just the rates of not doing that led to something of a trainwreck this year, and I'm pretty over it.

There's a six week writing period, not a seven week one. The extra week is meant for pinch hitters for people who drop out at the deadline. I do realise some tinkering goes on after the fact, but your gift should essentially be done at the original deadline.

This year we set the reveals 6 hours after the pinch hit deadline, in case the pinch hitters didn't make it, which worked really well except someone deleted and undetected placeholder and defaulted two hours before the deadline.

Hopefully bumping forward a bit will help.
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