28 July 2017 @ 05:39 pm
Wrangling and Clarifications  
Nominations are open here.

Approvals are still very much underway, but a few issues have cropped up so far.
  • The following Wonder Woman crossover tags need clarification from the nominator on which version of Diana you’re requesting. Now that this has been flagged I will also hold off on approving further WW crossovers without those details, so please check if you have unapproved nominations that will need to be edited or drop a comment with details so I can edit them for you:
    • Diana (Wonder Woman)/Eve Moneypenny (James Bond - Craig Movies)
    • Diana (Wonder Woman)/Rita Vrataski (Edge of Tomorrow)
    • Diana Prince (Wonder Woman)/Barbara Gordon (DC Comics)
    • Diana Prince (Wonder Woman)/Hermione Granger (Harry Potter)
    • Diana Prince (Wonder Woman)/Minerva McGonagall (Harry Potter)
    • Diana Prince (Wonder Woman)/Thirteenth Doctor (Doctor Who)
    • Diana Prince (Wonder Woman)/Tina Goldstein (Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them)
  • Elia Martell has been requested for Game of Thrones (TV) but I can’t google up an actress. Can someone confirm she has a canonical presence of some description in the TV show?
  • Lírien/Gwaeren/Ammeril has been nominated for the Hobbit, but from what I’ve found these seem to be fanon names for unnamed canon characters. Are these names widely recognisable to other fans or do they need changing or clarification of some sort? Can the nominator please provide us with more information in case there's questions or changes to be made.
  • Still looking for additional input on combining DC Cinematic Universe. We are more likely to combine than not for consistency with other fandoms, but input is 50/50 at present and definitely using DC Cinematic and it will definitely include Wonder Woman, but I’m not familiar with all the movies so input on scope is still particularly appreciated.
  • Also looking for input on whether The Vampire Diaries and The Originals should be combined. I will err on not combining unless or until directly requested, but there is a strong case for doing so to be consistent with our other combined fandoms should anyone wish to be able to request TVD/Originals pairings outside of the Crossovers tag.
  • Dalish/Skinner, Dragon Age. From what I can google Dalish refers to a group of people, not an individual. Can the nominator please provide more information?

For those not following the comments on the last post the following clarifications have been made so far about combining fandoms:
  • Mass Effect All Media Types will be used this year and include ME Andromeda
  • Star Wars All Media Types is being used again
  • Arrowverse includes Constantine
  • Power Rangers should be nominated under either the canonical movie tag or the non-canonical Power Rangers (TV) which will cover all shows including RPM
  • Game of Thrones (TV) and ASOIAF are separated.

Please continue to drop comments or email as you have questions or notice any issues. If an eligible pairing is declined in your nominations, please double check the tagset. We’re still working through a large queue so it might have been approved under a different combo or changed to combat tag drift. If something eligible was approved or declined in your nominations and is still missing from or in the wrong place in the tagset, definitely let us know.

If anything appears to be languishing in the queue and you think there might be a question about eligibility please feel free to drop us any additional info we might need. At this stage it is most likely just that it’s still buried behind other fandoms, however.

For those reading this on Tumblr, just a reminder that our Tumblr mod is travelling so if you’d like a quicker response you are very welcome to comment anonymously on our Dreamwidth posts in the meantime!
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(Anonymous) on July 28th, 2017 05:22 pm (UTC)
Diana/Minerva and Diana/Thirteen are me! The version of Diana I intended was Diana from Wonder Woman (2017).
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on July 28th, 2017 05:37 pm (UTC)
Wonderful, thanks!
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(Anonymous) on July 28th, 2017 05:30 pm (UTC)
This may be an AO3 tag wrangling issue, but there are two categories listed for the Buffyverse (Buffy the Vampire Slayer and /& Related Fandoms) and the majority of the tags are doubled up, but not all.
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on July 28th, 2017 05:37 pm (UTC)
Good catch! We accidentally approved two versions of the fandom, it should be fixed now.

Edited 2017-07-28 05:38 pm (UTC)
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Eni: ♞ madame de fer[personal profile] commoncomitatus on July 28th, 2017 05:55 pm (UTC)
Not the nominator (and apologies for jumping in again!), but I can (hopefully) help to clear up the question on Dalish/Skinner -- 'Dalish' does refer to a group of people, but it's also the adopted name of a background character in Dragon Age: Inquisition. Dalish and Skinner are both members of the same band of mercenaries (Bull's Chargers), and it's definitely a valid ship.
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(Anonymous) on July 28th, 2017 06:54 pm (UTC)
Not the nominator either, but seconding this :)
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on July 28th, 2017 11:16 pm (UTC)
Never apologise, jumping in with more info is welcome and encouraged! That makes more sense now, thank you.
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xyr supreme laziness: Cersei[personal profile] saturnofthemoon on July 28th, 2017 07:08 pm (UTC)
Not the nominator, but Elia Martell is a deceased character on the TV show. She's mentioned, but never appears.
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on July 28th, 2017 11:10 pm (UTC)
Fantastic, that clears it up for me thank you!
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suzy_queue: Diana: Specs[personal profile] suzy_queue on July 28th, 2017 07:32 pm (UTC)
I only have an interest in Wonder Woman (2017), as it's the only movie in DCU that I've seen, but since we only need to offer or request 1 pairing per fandom, I think combining is probably fine. Those of us only interested in WW can still easily offer and request just our ships without knowing the other movies.
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(Anonymous) on July 28th, 2017 07:49 pm (UTC)
The thing that worries me about folding Wonder Woman into the DCU is how it reframes the picture so that the canon is the DCU, not the movie. I'm only interested in Wonder Woman (2017); I don't know anything about the DCU other than that and have no interest in changing that. Yet if they're combined, a writer might very understandably assume that they could take the ship I'd requested and tell a story about them in the broader DC canon. For example, I have zero interest in Diana/Etta encountering Batman & Superman, for instance - less than zero, in fact.

I know I can explain in my signup & letter that I'm only interested in Wonder Woman (2017) canon, and that's what I'll do if they're combined, but that's not a guarantee that my preference would be listened to. (As it would be if the movie was allowed to stand on its own.) It's not something I'm going to throw a fit about, but I do have a preference.
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(no subject) - [personal profile] suzy_queue on July 28th, 2017 08:06 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - (Anonymous) on July 28th, 2017 09:31 pm (UTC)
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(no subject) - [personal profile] shopfront on July 28th, 2017 11:07 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [personal profile] sirvalkyrie on July 28th, 2017 09:21 pm (UTC)
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E[personal profile] amyfortuna on July 28th, 2017 10:17 pm (UTC)
I nominated Lírien/Gwaeren/Ammeril, and these are indeed, fanon names. There's a bit about them here. I would say they are pretty well known and anyone who requests or offers them is going to know who they are, but just in case, if needed, I'd be happy to amend the nomination to 'Lírien (Rivendell Harp Girl)/Gwaeren (Rivendell Flute Girl)/Ammeril (Rivendell Serving Girl).'
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on July 28th, 2017 11:19 pm (UTC)
Assuming that's not too long for the nomination field, that sounds like a good compromise. I'm happy to go with fanon if it's well known, but you might also draw in some new shippers if it's more explicit who they are, too.
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(no subject) - [personal profile] amyfortuna on July 29th, 2017 07:14 am (UTC)
violsva: towsell-mowsell[personal profile] violsva on July 29th, 2017 01:23 am (UTC)
There appear to be two separate tags for Polly Plummer/Original Female Character in the Narnia fandom.
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on July 30th, 2017 09:11 am (UTC)
Thank you! Should be corrected now.
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(Anonymous) on July 31st, 2017 01:07 pm (UTC)
Hi there, I've been trying to correspond with your moderator on Tumblr and have been waiting for a reply, but haven't had much success so I'm following up. I'm wondering if there is any room to have "Arrowverse" reclassified so that it does not include all of the DCTV fandoms. Specifically, I feel strongly that there is an argument to be made for Supergirl being separated from this umbrella, as the show takes place in a different reality (Earth-38 vs Earth-1) and while characters do cross over, this is infrequent and under very specific contexts only. As someone who participates in both broader "Arrowverse" and Supergirl fandoms, I also feel that there is a substantial difference in the fan bases.

At this point I'm holding off on nominating/deciding whether I'm able to participating based on this, a clear answer either way would be appreciated. Thank you!!
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Lunar: Supergirl - best of smiley superfriends[personal profile] shopfront on July 31st, 2017 02:30 pm (UTC)
Hi there! Sorry about the delay, they mustn't have easy access to Tumblr right now. To be fair and consistent when wrangling we currently base our decisions about combining on the commonality of the canon, not the fanbases, and in this case the fact that characters share canon on-screen time and the possibility of further contact is the deciding factor and the multiple Earths aspect of Arrowverse doesn't negate that. So Supergirl will remain as part of Arrowverse.

You can absolutely request/offer only Supergirl pairings under Arrowverse if you wish, to ensure you only match with other Supergirl requests/offers. Or if there's other things we can do to make sure Supergirl fans know where in the tagset to find their pairings, we'd be happy to do some extra promotional posts during the sign-up period if that's part of what concerns you.

If this stops you participating in this round then we'll be sorry to miss you, but we always welcome feedback and encourage you to pop back at the end of the round for our discussion and wrap up post.

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(Anonymous) on July 31st, 2017 11:50 pm (UTC)

"Alphys/Toriel" is listed twice under "Undertale."
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on August 1st, 2017 08:20 am (UTC)
Fixed, thank you!
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iknowcommawrite[personal profile] iknowcommawrite on August 1st, 2017 10:47 am (UTC)
I nominated Diana/Eve Moneypenny and Diana/Rita Vrataski! I did mean the Diana from the 2017 Wonder Woman movie/DC Cinematic Universe.
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on August 1st, 2017 10:53 am (UTC)
Fantastic, thank you!
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Muffins[personal profile] evilmuffins on August 1st, 2017 07:48 pm (UTC)
'Aigis/Takeba Yukari' has wandered from Persona 3 (where it goes) to Persona 4!
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samuraiter[personal profile] samuraiter on August 4th, 2017 12:14 am (UTC)
So it has. *headscratch* I am going to have to see what can be done about that. Thank you for pointing it out.
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(no subject) - [personal profile] samuraiter on August 5th, 2017 09:08 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous) on August 1st, 2017 07:48 pm (UTC)
I mistakingly nominated a pairing that has underage character. Sorry to cause trouble /o\

Pristin (band); Kang Kyungwon | Yuha/Kim Yewon | Yehana
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samuraiter[personal profile] samuraiter on August 4th, 2017 12:01 am (UTC)
I have removed that pairing from the tag set for you. Thank you for letting us know!
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Lilith[personal profile] reflectedeve on August 1st, 2017 09:05 pm (UTC)
Hey, so I just tried to nominate Jessica Jones/Patricia Walker and Misty Knight/Claire Temple under "Marvel Netflix," but the AO3 seems to have changed it to "Marvel Cinematic Universe" (and won't let me change it back). Sorry for the hassle.

Also, I noticed a duplicate under Killjoys (TV): Clara/Dutch (Killjoys) and Dutch/Clara (Killjoys). And there's a pairing that doesn't belong under Teen Wolf (TV): EDI/Female Shepard

Thanks for everything, mods!
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samuraiter[personal profile] samuraiter on August 4th, 2017 12:24 am (UTC)
I nailed the Killjoy duplicates. Still working on how to keep EDI and FemShep from getting into Teen Wolf, and AO3 is being stubborn about the Marvel tags. *headscratch* Working on it. Thank you for catching what you have so far.
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(Anonymous) on August 1st, 2017 10:06 pm (UTC)
I've noticed a couple of duplicates in the tagset.

Under Dragon Age there's both "Female Dalish Warden/Merrill" and "Female Mahariel/Merrill". Mahariel is the name of the Dalish warden, so that's actually referring to the same character.

Under Critical Role there's both "Pike Trickfoot/Sarenrae" and "Sarenrae (Pathfinder)/Pike Trickfoot".
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samuraiter[personal profile] samuraiter on August 4th, 2017 12:04 am (UTC)
Thank you for catching those.

I have removed "Female Dalish Warden/Merrill" and "Sarenrae (Pathfinder)/Pike Trickfoot", but left the other pairings intact.
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triplesalto[personal profile] triplesalto on August 2nd, 2017 04:52 am (UTC)
Scrolling through the DW noms, I noticed that two people had the same (excellent) idea:

Thirteenth Doctor/Kate Lethbridge-Stewart
Thirteenth Doctor/Kate Lethbridge Stewart

Hyphenated is correct.
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samuraiter[personal profile] samuraiter on August 4th, 2017 12:08 am (UTC)
Thank you for catching that.

I have removed the incorrect duplicate.
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Star of Heaven: ❋ Iris[personal profile] rubylily on August 4th, 2017 01:20 am (UTC)
I found another migrating tag: Kunikida Hanamaru/Tsushima Yoshiko wandered from Love Live! Sunshine!! into Love Live! School Idol Project.

Bang Dream Girls Band Party is currently under Uncategorized Fandoms, but the canonical is BanG Dream! Girl's Band Party! (Video Game). BanG Dream (Anime) is also nominated and there is some character overlap, but thankfully there doesn't look to be any migrating tags right now.

Under Persona 5, there's Niijima Makoto & Okumura Haru, which is probably supposed to be Niijima Makoto/Okumura Haru.

Both Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X & Final Fantasy X-2 are nominated, with the same pairings under both.

I also found more relationships that look to have been accidentally nominated with an & instead of /:

Arrowverse (CW TV) has Laurel Lance & Felicity Smoak and Laurel Lance & Thea Queen.

General Hospital has Emily Quartermaine & Elizabeth Webber.

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samuraiter[personal profile] samuraiter on August 5th, 2017 09:05 pm (UTC)
Okay, all of those corrections should be in place now. Thank you for catching them. ... No idea how any "&" pairs made it into the set, since none of them popped up while I was reviewing nominations. *headscratch*
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(no subject) - [personal profile] rubylily on August 5th, 2017 09:22 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [personal profile] samuraiter on August 5th, 2017 09:27 pm (UTC)
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ember_keelty[personal profile] ember_keelty on August 4th, 2017 04:05 am (UTC)
Duplicate in Hunger Games fandom: both "Foxface (Hunger Games)/Original Female Character(s)" and "Foxface/Original Female Character" have been nominated
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samuraiter[personal profile] samuraiter on August 5th, 2017 09:05 pm (UTC)
Duplicate eliminated. Thank you!
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(Anonymous) on August 4th, 2017 03:45 pm (UTC)
Some of the approvals are confusing me, and I hope you can clarify!

There is overlap of pairings in two fandoms, Disney--AMT and Disney Princesses. Then Lilo and Stitch is its own fandom. Shouldn't it be folded into Disney AMT, and the Princess ships from AMT put into Princesses?

Agents of SHIELD was accepted, though everything should be folded into MCU, right? There are duplicate pairings there. Also, Natasha/Skye would then have to be a crossover.

There are two Doctor Who fandoms, with overlapping nominations.

Has AO3 gone haywire, or are the rules shifting about combining fandoms? Thanks!
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on August 4th, 2017 03:54 pm (UTC)
Rules definitely haven't changed, but there's been a shift in wrangling behind the scenes as my computer went down for the count and different mods are tidying at different stages. AO3 has also been a bit trickier than normal and timing out a bit, so some things might not be getting tidied up immediately depending on mod availability of its being slow. Definitely flag something if it looks wrong and someone will sort it.

I'm not familiar with Disney but believe we only used Princesses last year - is Disney Princesses a separate fandom/show, or would they all be better all merged under AMT?

I can confirm Lilo will be combined somewhere, and the Doctor Who's and SHIELD will indeed be shifted according to our usual umbrella.

Sorry for the confusion!
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(no subject) - (Anonymous) on August 5th, 2017 12:34 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [personal profile] shopfront on August 5th, 2017 06:25 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [personal profile] samuraiter on August 5th, 2017 08:25 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous) on August 5th, 2017 11:16 am (UTC)
Hi, I've noticed a couple of things:
- There is some overlap stuff going on in Star Trek; Star Trek: Deep Space Nine has had 6 nominations approved in its own category, most of which are also doubled in Star Trek: Classic Timeline (All Series)
- Something similar is going on in Doctor Who; most nominations are listed under Doctor Who, but around half (doubles) are listed under Doctor Who (2005).
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(Anonymous) on August 5th, 2017 11:17 am (UTC)
Just saw you already caught the Doctor Who one, sorry!
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(no subject) - [personal profile] shopfront on August 5th, 2017 11:33 am (UTC)
(no subject) - (Anonymous) on August 6th, 2017 09:15 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [personal profile] shopfront on August 6th, 2017 10:43 am (UTC)
(Anonymous) on August 6th, 2017 03:19 am (UTC)
Under Voltron, Acxa/Azor/Narti/Zethrid should be Acxa/Ezor/Narti/Zethrid

Ezor is the correct spelling of her name.
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on August 6th, 2017 10:14 am (UTC)
Thank you! It should be fixed now, but I'm working on an iPad which makes AO3 a little clunky so if anything still looks wrong let us know.
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(Anonymous) on August 8th, 2017 06:22 am (UTC)
Hi! Duplicate in Fate/stay night & Related Fandoms:
Irisviel von Einzbern/Arturia Pendragon | Irisviel von Einzbern/Saber
Irisviel von Einzbern/Saber
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Lunar: B&tB - [Cat/Tess] all star all girl team[personal profile] shopfront on August 10th, 2017 12:34 pm (UTC)
Has been sorted, thank you!
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